Recently, J.L. moved more than 20 of my posts from other threads into a new thread in the Minority Report folder, slyly accusing me of posting a slur against Islam. While I was composing a response to his frivolous charge, he deleted the thread and all my posts and banned me again.
I am inserting my reply in this space. It is illustrative of my style, and demonstrates how to quote & link to Islamic scriptures. In a previous post, I had used an unordered list of pertinent facts about Islam. I am sure that J.L. considered them to be 'slurs'. In order to set the record straight I quoted part of that origional post and added supporting detail.
If, after reading this, you are willing to join the frey in my place, you can use this link to the War & Terrorism folder of the News Forum to get started. You will need an AOL or Netscape screen name to sign in and post.
Note that some of those threads receive thousands of viewings. You can, until you get banned, have an opportunity to introduce many people to factual information about Islam & terrorism.
The title of this thread: :( Anti-Islamic Slurs Are Still Slurs :( accuses me of slurring Islam. Where is the evidence to support that charge, or is it a baseless innuendo?
The current instance is the first post in this thread to have any contextual information available. I shall now take the critical content out of context:
Shrub lied about Islam:Does that paragraph contain any slurs? "Shrub lied about Islam" is, beyond any doubt, a slur against the current holder of the highest office in this nation. The author respects the office, but not the man. In 2000, I reluctantly voted for him after voting for Alan Keyes in the primary election. In 2004, I wrote in Jesus Christ, which is my habit when given a choice between liars.
- it is not a religion
- it is not peaceful
- it has not been hijacked
- it is not compatible with liberty
- it is not compatible with democracy.
In fact, President Bush, aka Shrub, did in fact lie about Islam! "Islam is a great religion of peace... hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists...".
Is Islam a religion? It professes a belief in diety, defines the relation between creator and creation and has a system of prayers and rituals. Does that qualify it as a religion? Let us look a little deeper.
What is Islam's purpose? Is it spiritual, beneficent & elemosynary or is it mercenary? Let us examine Allah's final revelation:
8:1. They ask you (O Muhammad) about the spoils of war. Say: "The spoils are for Allâh and the Messenger."Surah 8's title is translated as "The Spoils". What does a "great religion of peace" have to do with "spoils of war"? Surah 48's title is translated as "The Victory". Is it a victory over temptation & sin?
Ayats 15 & 16 make it abundantly clear. The enemy being attacked is their fellow man, not sin and the purpose of the battle is the accrual of spoils. Muhammad is applying the carrot & stick to bedouins who refused to fight but wanted a share of the spoils.48:15. Those who lagged behind will say, when you set forth to take the spoils, "Allow us to follow you," They want to change Allâh's Words. Say: "You shall not follow us; thus Allâh has said beforehand." Then they will say: "Nay, you envy us." Nay, but they understand not except a little.
48:16. Say (O Muhammad) to the bedouins who lagged behind: "You shall be called to fight against a people given to great warfare, then you shall fight them, or they shall surrender. Then if you obey, Allâh will give you a fair reward, but if you turn away as you did turn away before, He will punish you with a painful torment."
48:18. Indeed, Allâh was pleased with the believers when they gave their Bai'â (pledge) to you (O Muhammad) under the tree, He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory,
48:19. And abundant spoils that they will capture. And Allâh is Ever All-Mighty, All-Wise.
48:20. Allâh has promised you abundant spoils that you will capture, and He has hastened for you this, and He has restrained the hands of men from you, that it may be a sign for the believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path.
48:21. And other (victories and much booty there are, He promises you) which are not yet within your power, indeed Allâh compasses them, And Allâh is Ever Able to do all things.
48:22. And if those who disbelieve fight against you, they certainly would have turned their backs, then they would have found neither a Walî (protector) nor a helper.
You can not reasonably accuse me of quoting out of context in this case. I have quoted a significant chain of ayats, and I have hyperlinked them to source, so that you may verify the quotations.
Is there any quranic evidence to confirm those ayats? I usually cite the following ayats as evidence of the sanctification of terrorism. While serving that purpose, they also confirm spoilation.
Thus we discover that Muhammad was fighting aggressively against disbelievers, whose property he appropriated. He was fighting innocent Jewish tribes, not evil, and his motivation was mercenary. We can find external confirmation of this fact.33:26. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allâh brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.
33:27. And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things.
Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4327The spoils of war were not made lawful for any people before us, This is because Allah saw our weakness and humility and made them lawful for us.
Weakness & humility?!?!?
Sahih Bukhari Ch. 61, # 2756: "My provision has been placed under the shadow of my spear, and abasement and humility have been placed on the one who disobeys my command."
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
"...I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
Sahih BukhariI have demonstrated, from the Qur'an, that the purpose of Islam is mercenary, not religious. I have confirmed that fact from the Hadith. Any person who doubts this fact should turn to the Khumus Hadith of Sahih Bukhari, which details the division of the spoils.Volume 4, Book 52, Number 267:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah's Cause." He called, "War is deceit'.
Is Islam Peaceful?
The evidence submitted above should be sufficient to prove, to any reasonable person that it is not! For Mr. Linnendoll, no amount of evidence is sufficient, so I will cite ayats which leave no doubt:
2:216. Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know.
Surely this must refer to the greater Jihad, against temptation?9:86. And when a Sûrah (chapter from the Qur'ân) is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allâh and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, the wealthy among them ask your leave to exempt them (from Jihâd) and say, "Leave us (behind), we would be with those who sit (at home)."
8:38. Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ].
Do what to whom until what condition is met ?!9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Surely Islam must be, as President Bush described it, "a great religion of peace", Mr. Linnendoll knows that it is!! The clear evidence, from Allah, Muhammad, and his companions tells us that Mr. Linnendoll knows a fact which is simply false!!!Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 512:
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet . The Prophet made her manumission as her 'Mahr'
Return for a moment, to the last referenced ahadith: "for those who have been warned." Muhammad had sent an extortion letter to the Jews of Khaibar. Does the founder of a "great religion of peace" dispatch extortion letters and follow them up with ghazwat???
Has Islam been hijacked ?
Clearly, Islam has not been hijacked by terrorists! Muhammad bin Abdullah, its founder, was the prototypical terrorist!!! See Bukhari Vol. 4, Book 52, Number 220, cited above, in which Muhammad braggs about his terrible practice. The above cited quotes are sufficient to prove that Muhammad was the model for the modern day Salafists who emulate his evil actions.
Just as the Salafists did not origionate terrorism, neither did they establish terrorism as a sacrament of Islam; Allah did!!!
3:151. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve....
Is Islam compatible with liberty?8:12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."
Liberty involves self-determination. Liberty involves the right to decide what, if anything to worship, and when & how to worship. Islam enslaves its own adherents, and demands the conversion, death or enslavement of disbelievers. Clearly, Islam is not compatible with liberty.
Is Islam compatible with democracy?
Democracy involves man made law, with the consent of the governed, by majority vote. Islam demands Sharia law, and regards democratic legislation as depriving allah of his right to rule.
Democracy involves dignity and equality. Islam considers women to be chattel property, who inherit only half as much as a male inherits and whose testimony is given only half the weight of a man's. 2:223. Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth...
4:11. Allâh commands you as regards your children's (inheritance); to the male, a portion equal to that of two females...
2:282. O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allâh has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allâh, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable himself to dictate, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her.I have now established the factual truth of my proposition concerning Islam: that it is mercenary & martial, terrorism & Jihad are intrinsic to Islam, it has not been hijacked, is not a religion & not peaceful.
Mr. Linnendoll has accused me of slurring Islam. He will bring forth no evidence. He will present no relevant, verifiable factual evidence to refute what I have presented here. I expect that he will delete this, and my other posts and ban me from this forum.
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