President Trump: Meet The New Boss Same As The Old Boss

    I expect that , if it is noticed, this post will make me a pariah.  Being an equal opportunity offender, I ream new holes for liars I discover even if the new President I voted for gets reamed.  I acknowledge the fact that President Trump is orders of magnitude superior to Obamination, of whom, good riddance!  But he said on the campaign trail that he would abandon PC, yet he resorted to it in his inaugural address.   

    In a mercifully brief inaugural address, President Trump revisited his major campaign themes. One throwaway line stands ot and I am seizing on it. The subject matter of the sentence quoted below is too vital to dismiss. A national debate is required, let it begin here and now[Superscripts in the quotes are internally linked to my comments below. Use your Back Space key to return to your place in the quote after reading a comment..

We will reinforce old alliances¹ and form new ones – and unite the civilized world² against Radical³ Islamic Terrorism⁴, which we will eradicate⁵ completely from the face of the Earth.

    President Trump  raised the issue again in a speech to the CIA, the hot part starts at the end of the second minute of the speech.  Thanks and a tip of the hat to Jihad Watch!

“We have to get rid of ISIS⁶. We have no choice. Radical Islamic terrorism⁷, and I said it yesterday, has to be eradicated, just off the face of the earth. This is evil. This is evil….This is a level of evil that we haven’t seen⁸. And you’re going to go it and you’re going to do a phenomenal job, but we’re going to end⁹ it. It’s time. It’s time right now to end it.”

..."Problems that are interrelated to the havoc and fear that this sick group of people¹⁰ has caused" ...

     From the White House  "America First Foreign Policy" page:

"Defeating ISIS and other radical Islamic terror groups¹¹ will be our highest priority. To defeat and destroy¹² these groups, we will pursue aggressive joint and coalition military operations when necessary. In addition, the Trump Administration will work with international partners¹³ to cut off funding for terrorist groups, to expand intelligence sharing, and to engage in cyberwarfare to disrupt and disable propaganda¹⁴ and recruiting."

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alliances

    Our allies, Australia, Britain,Canada, France & Germany, for example, are committing  societal suicide by admitting large numbers of enemy invaders. None of them shows any real sign of having the political will to wage exterminating war on the enemy.

    The Islamic nations claimed as allies by Obamination, are enemies, not allies. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia  supports terrorists and propagates Islam. Allah, in his Qur'an, explicitly forbids alliance & partnership with kuffar.

3:118. O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitânah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.

4:139. Those who take disbelievers for Auliyâ' (protectors or helpers or friends) instead of believers, do they seek honour, power and glory with them? Verily, then to Allâh belongs all honour, power and glory.

4:144. O you who believe! Take not for Auliyâ' (protectors or helpers or friends) disbelievers instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allâh a manifest proof against yourselves? 

5:51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers and unjust)

5:57. O you who believe! Take not for Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) those who take your religion for a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before you, nor from among the disbelievers; and fear Allâh if you indeed are true believers.

9:23. O you who believe! Take not for Auliyâ' (supporters and helpers) your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, etc.).

60:1. O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists, etc.) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism, this Qur'ân, and Muhammad ), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad ) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allâh your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, etc., as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray, (away) from the Straight Path .

60:13. O you who believe! Take not as friends the people who incurred the Wrath of Allâh (i.e. the Jews). Surely, they have been in despair to receive any good in the Hereafter, just as the disbelievers have been in despair about those (buried) in graves (that they will not be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection).

Exactly what part of that do you not comprehend?

    Do predator and prey form alliances?  Our alliance with Russia dissolved into cold war after WWII. Muslims, who are commanded not to be our friends, allies or partners, are also commanded to wage war against us. The command is Nāsikh, not Mansūkh and it can not be ignored. 9.29 abrogates earlier, passive and tolerant verses.

civilized world

    Nations with  Muslim populations and Islamic governments are not part of the civilized world, they are on the other side in this war. Jihad is a function of belief in Allah, his imperatives, threat & promise, not nationality.

    Islam was contrived by an Arab for his personal emolument through the profession of brigandry. Ibn Khaldun, a North African Arab, wrote this about Arabs; it applies to Muslims: [Muquaddimah pg. 199 Emphasis and footnote 15 added.]

The reason for this is that (the Arabs) are a savage nation, fully accustomed to savagery and the things that cause it. Savagery has become their character and nature. They enjoy it, because it means freedom from authority and no subservience to leadership. Such a natural disposition is the negation and antithesis of civilization. All the customary activities of the Arabs lead to travel and movement.
 This is the antithesis and negation of stationariness, which produces civilization. For instance, the Arabs need stones to set them up as supports for their cooking pots. So, they take them from buildings which they tear down to get the stones, and use them for that purpose. Wood, too, is needed by them for props for their tents and for use as tent poles for their dwell ings. So, they tear down roofs to get the wood for that purpose. The very nature of their existence is the negation of building, which is the basis of civilization. This is the case with them quite generally.
    Furthermore, it is their nature to plunder whatever other people possess. Their sustenance lies wherever the shadow of their lances falls.¹⁵ They recognize no limit in taking the possessions of other people. Whenever their eyes fall upon some property, furnishings, or utensils, they take it. When they acquire superiority and royal authority, they have complete power to plunder (as they please). There  no  longer exists any political (power) to protect property, and civilization is ruined.

Moe: Plunderer

    I wrote that Ibn  Khaldun's description of Arabs fits Muslims. Why? Because of this sentence: "Their sustenance lies wherever the shadow of their lances falls."  One of Moe's pithy sayings has been Bowdlerized from the Khan translation of Bukhari  found on the web. Aisha Bewley did not expurgate it and Ibn Kathir melded it with another in his Tafsir from which I quote. [Emphasis added.]

"(I was sent with the sword just before the Hour so that Allah be worshipped alone without partners. My provision was placed under the shadow of my spear, and those who defy my order were disgraced and humiliated, and he who imitates a people is one of them.) "

• Their sustenance lies wherever the shadow of their lances falls.
• My provision was placed under the shadow of my spear

Got a clue yet?  If not, go look it up in Fath al-Bari.  The obvious meaning is the correct meaning.

Radical

Definition of radical

1. 1 :  of, relating to, or proceeding from a root: such asa (1) :  of or growing from the root of a plant <radical tubers> (2) :  growing from the base of a stem, from a rootlike stem, or from a stem that does not rise above the ground <radical leaves>b :  of, relating to, or constituting a linguistic rootc :  of or relating to a mathematical rootd :  designed to remove the root of a disease or all diseased and potentially diseased tissue <radical surgery> <radical mastectomy>

2. 2 :  of or relating to the origin :  fundamental

3. 3a :  very different from the usual or traditional :  extremeb :  favoring extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutionsc :  associated with political views, practices, and policies of extreme changed :  advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs <the radical right>

4. 4 slang :  excellent, cool

    This is a pull your head out of the sand moment: was the sand from your eyes, shake the dust from your head and take a long, clear eyed look at definition 3a  in the quote from Webster above.

    "Radical" is prefixed to Islam/Islamic to convey a false impression of the existence of an anodyne standard Islam. Islam, as Moe preached and practiced it 1400 years ago, is neither anodyne nor beneficent. It is mercenary and martial.  Between  his emigration to Medina and his death, Moe ordered 86 battles and personally participated in 17 of them.  

    Terrorism is commanded in the Qur'an and exemplified in the hadith & sira. Terrorism is an intrinsic sacrament of normative Islam.  It is standard, not exceptional.  

    How do you know when a politician is lying? Whenever he says "Radical Islamic Terrorism" or "Radical Islam", he is lying, as illustrated in the gif above.

Terrorism

    Read this description of terror from the hadith.

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 567:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection), 'O Adam.' Adam will reply, 'Labbaik wa Sa'daik', and all the good is in Your Hand.' Allah will say: 'Bring out the people of the fire.' Adam will say: 'O Allah! How many are the people of the Fire?' Allah will reply: 'From every one thousand, take out nine-hundred-and ninety-nine.' At that time children will become hoary headed, every pregnant female will have a miscarriage, and one will see mankind as drunken, yet they will not be drunken, but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah."

    "The Qdur'anic Concept Of War" is a strategy manual of the Army of Pakistan. It has a clue for you! Terror is both the means and the ends; the condition they wish to impose.



    Allah said he would and did cast terror, resulting in victory. Allah commanded Muslims to strike terror and terrify kuffar.  Moe said he was made victorious with terror. This list contains links to the most relevant ayat & ahadith.    3:151, 8:12,39,57,60,65,67, 9:5,29,38, 39,111,120,123, 33:26,27, 47:4,49:15, 59:2,13, 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220.  Read them and curse Islam!  If you want detailed  examples of Moe's terrorism, read this.

eradicate terrorism

    It is not possible to eradicate terrorism without eradicating Islam. Stalin and Mao tried that on a local scale and failed miserably. What makes President Trump so special that he can do what powerful dictators could not do?  
   
    Does he have the political will to nuke 1.3 billion people off the face of the earth?  I suppose Congress and the UN would go along with that. /Sarc

    Does he have a sufficient stockpile of conventional weapons to do the job? How would he pay for that? In his first term, right?

    Muslims can not be defeated without destroying their faith. Islamic Iman makes them immune to terror  Brig. S.K. Malik explains it in "The Quranic Concept Of War".

        Moe knew what the Bedouins wanted: wine, food, wealth & sex. He promised those things to them, to be delivered after they die, on condition that they do his wet work. That is Allah's promise: do my wet work :"fight in Allah's cause" and I will admit you to my celestial orgy.  Allah also has a threat: "sit at home without battle scars and I will burn you".
 Where do you want to go, the orgy or the fire pit? Start reading  Surah An-Naba' at 78.21. The verses that command terrorism are:  8.12, 57 & 60; the promise of Brownie Points is in 9.120 . The threat is in 9.38-39 and the promise of orgy is in 9.111 & 61.9-12 listed and linked  in the Terrorism topic above.

    While Muslims believe, they will continue to wage  Jihad and terrorism in hopes of Jannah & fear of Jannahm.  Your mission, President Trump, is to destroy their Iman so that they will abandon Islam. I charge you to begin tomorrow to devise strategies and tactics for causing mass apostasy. You must make Muslims ashamed to be slaves of Allah and followers of Moe. You must prove to them that Allah is Satan and Moe was a false prophet. Can you do that?  Are you willing to undertake the mission?

ISIS

    Was WWII won by getting rid of Panzers, SS & kamikazes, or did it require defeat of Germany and Japan?  Did killing Bin Ladin eliminate terrorism?  Why not??  There are more than 50 terrorist groups. Even if you eliminate all of them, Islam would remain.  The Islamic State is a decoy, you must eliminate Islam. The war is not over while one believing Muslim lives.

Radical Islamic terrorism

    As explained above, terrorism is normative, not radical; an intrinsic sacrament of Islam. Call it what it is: Islamic Terrorism. Islam takes no adjectives, it is what it is, by design and without reformation. Terrorism and Islam are one.

evil that we haven’t seen

    Blind to history?  Hindu Kush!  Khaibar! Constantinople! Assyrian Genocide! Armenian Genocide! Greek Genocide!  What kind of ignorant fool are you?  

end it

    The time to end it was in 624. But Moe's victims were not united. They did not cooperate effectively and were picked off one by one. It is not possible to end terrorism without ending Islam because Jihad & terrorism are intrinsic sacraments commanded by Allah and exemplified by Moe for Muslims to obey and  emulate in all times and places.

sick group of people

    Call them what they are, Mr. President: Believing Muslims!  Not insane. Not diseased. Not  ignorant, repressed, suppressed, oppressed or anything else but believing Muslims!  They have not distorted, perverted or hijacked Islam, they  have obeyed Allah and emulated his Profit.

    The sick group of people are constipated  politicians, whose feces comes out their mouths. Their diseases are dhimmitude and political correctness.

Islamic terror groups

    Eliminating Islam should be your top priority because all Islamic terror groups are dependent on Islam for their motivation and Believing Muslims for cannon fodder. They are dependent on the Ummah al-Islamiyya for support. Muslims are the terror group/!

 defeat and destroy

    Defeat and destroy Islam if you want victory! As explained above, terrorism will continue so long as the earth is Muslim infested.  Muslims go to war or to Hell; it's what they do. Read all my comments above and get a clue!

propaganda

    A good offense is the best defense!  Offend Muslims! Piss them off! Embarrass them! Tell those proud Muslimas the truth about their headbags, how they are symbolic of open defecation, neither piety nor modesty.  Tell pious Muslim believers the truth about Moe: that he was a demon possessed false prophet who revealed situational scripture,  suborned murder, raped captive women and practiced extortion. Show them the proof which is to be found in the Qur'an, sahih hadith collections and sira.

    Do you know why  "Innocence Of Muslims" pisses them off?  'Cuz it's true!!! Click the link, watch the video, watch the two  experts analyze it and read my own analysis, then you will have a clue or two!  At least  one full length feature screen play based on the sira sits on the shelf. Persuade Mel Gibson to produce it, dub it into Persian, Urdu and Arabic, then give it global distribution.  Show the Ummah how they have been enslaved and victimized by an impious fraud!  .  
   

Obamination: Mosque Visit; Freedom Of Religion Part 6~Terrorist Rhetoric

Obamination: Mosque Visit; Freedom Of Religion Part 6~Terrorist Rhetoric

Remarks by the President at Islamic Society of Baltimore

Which brings me to my next point:  As we protect our country from terrorism, we should not reinforce the ideas and the rhetoric of the terrorists themselves.  I often hear it said that we need moral clarity in this fight.  And the suggestion is somehow that if I would simply say, these are all Islamic terrorists, then we would actually have solved the problem by now, apparently.  (Laughter.)  Well, I agree, we actually do need moral clarity.  Let’s have some moral clarity.  (Applause.) 

Groups like ISIL are desperate for legitimacy.  They try to portray themselves as religious leaders and holy warriors who speak for Islam.  I refuse to give them legitimacy.  We must never give them that legitimacy.  (Applause.)  They’re not defending Islam.  They’re not defending Muslims.  The vast majority of the people they kill are innocent Muslim men, women and children.  (Applause.) 

reinforce terrorist rhetoric

    LibTards  deny the fatal facts of Islam because they  falsely equate eradicating  predators to the Shoa.  They can not bear the truth: Islam is an all encompassing way of life which preys upon the human race.  

    LibTards can not acknowledge the Islamic character of the Islamic State because that would destroy their "religion of peace" house of cards.

    Recognizing ISIS as Islamic does not legitimize  or rationalize ISIS, it just recognizes it as part of Ummah al-Islamiyya.

    Outside of using modern weapons and technology, ISIS is not doing much Moe and his companions did not do. They can cherry pick hadith to justify their works.    

moral clarity

    Islam's position is: Allah, as creator, owns the earth and all that is on it. He gives it to whom he wills. He gave it to Moe. Muslims have a divine mandate to seize it by force and impose Allah's rules on the whole human race. Allah will surely make Muslims successors in the earth, he gives it to them by conquests.  How moral is  that?

    Moe said: "I am raised for Jihad and I am not raised for tillage". He said that when Muslims hold the tails of oxen and abandon Jihad, Allah will curse them with disgrace until they return to their "original religion. Moe said that his provision was placed under the shade of his spear.  How moral is that?

    Moe, speaking for Allah, said "fight them until" only Allah is worshiped and Christians are subjugated and extorted.  He raped captive women and allowed his companions to seize and rape women.  Moral is that?  

    Captured women and children are enslaved by default. How moral is that?  Infidels may be attacked without provocation. How moral is that?  

    Moe, speaking for Allah, said: "I will cast terror",  "Allah cast terror",  "You [and your army] are more a terror in the Jew's hearts than Allah." and "I have been made victorious with terror..." How moral is that?

Its Islam, Stupid!

    ISIS, HAMAS and the rest of the alphabet soup of Islamic terrorism are believing Muslims,  obeying Allah and emulating Moe, nothing more. They add  nothing to and subtract nothing from Islam.

radical

    "Radical Islam" is an accursed lie  "Extremists" is an accursed lie. Its Islam, Stupid!  It is what Allah commanded and Moe did.  Its Sunnah.  Its Shari'ah.  There is no "moderate Islam".  There is no anodyne, benevolent Islam. The "golden age" of Islam was conquest and empire.

Identification is no solution

    Obamination uses a straw man argument, redolent of the feces gluing  the straw together. While identifying the enemy is  essentially necessary to victory, it is far from sufficient. We do not win by identifying Islam as the enemy, we win by freeing the earth from its infestation.

    We can not  take the first steps on the road to victory without identifying the enemy and recognizing the existential necessity of  its extermination.

legitimacy

    Its Islamic law: Shari'ah, Stupid.  "Allah said.", Moe said., Moe did.  It is based on the Qur'an, hadith and sira.   Get your head out of your anus, wipe the drek from your eyes and get a Godblessed clue for Chrissake!!!

3:151, 8:12,39,57,60,65,67, 9:5,29,38, 39,111,120,123, 33:26,27, 47:4,49:15, 59:2,13, 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220. 

The above listed ayat and ahadith are essentially necessary to understanding  Islamic terrorism.  Click each one and read it carefully.  What part of "I will  cast terror"  do you not comprehend?  What part of "Allah cast terror" do you not understand?  What part of  rewarding acts of terrorism as righteous good deeds do you not comprehend?
Re-read those ayat and ahadith until reality sinks in and you get a clue.

    One  Arab spoke for Allah and his word is final; I gave you links to it above.  ISIS is acting for Allah: fighting in his cause just as Moe did in the seventh century. 

defending Islam

    Islam has enemies: everyone who is not a Muslim is an enemy; waging war against Allah.  Read 5.33, then consider this quote from Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

 `Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways.

   
    To us, Islamic imperialism is offensive warfare, from their point of view, its defending Islam.

Open Letter To Rick Santorum

Open Letter To Rick Santorum Dear Mr. Santorum,

Your answer to a question about national security issues involving Afghanistan  exposes a vital element of truth on the surface, while an unpleasant stream of hypocrisy flows beneath the surface.  

    Thanks and a tip of the hat to Paul Hoffman, whose Facebook post brought to my attention Robert Spencer's post, where I found this video clip. 

How long do you want to wait?  Until the security of our country is ensured, that's what the job of the commander of chief is and you make that decision, not the generals--you make that decision based on an analysis of how virulent the threat of radical Islam is and you confront that threat not just militarily, and importantly, not just militarily, you confront it first by being honest with the American public about what this threat is. 

    This President has sanitized every defense document, everything, the word radical Islam does not appear anywhere , why? because we are fighting political correct -- we are trying to fight this politically correct war and not being honest with the American public as to who the enemy is, how virulently they are and why they hate us and what we must do to stop...

 

how long ?

    The question of the duration of our occupation of Afghanistan can not be answered with a clock, calendar or time table. 

strategic objectives

national security

    If the strategic objective is to permanently end  Afghanistan's membership in the set of state sponsors of terrorism and prevent Afghanistan from being used as a training ground and staging area for terrorists, then the eradication of Islam from Afghanistan is the criteria for ending the occupation. We bring the troops home when the population of Afghanistan and their government are totally free from the influence of the damnable doctrines of Islam which inculcate hatred and enjoin genocidal conquest which is won by casting terror. 

    In that case, you remove our troops from Afghanistan when its population is either apostatized or converted and its government is able and willing to secure its borders against infiltration from neighboring countries infested with Muslims. 

free, democratic & secure

    If the strategic objective is, as Shrub stated, a free, democratic, secure & prosperous Afghanistan with a stable government which respects human equality, dignity & rights,  then cleansing Afghanistan from the infestation of Islam  is insufficient.  In this case, Afghanistan must be cleansed from its long tradition of tribalism and its honor/shame culture as well.  Good luck with that; measure the occupation in millenia, not centuries. 

how virulent

how infectious

    Islam spread from Mecca & Medina to infect all of Arabia, North Africa, the Levant, nearly half of Asia and South East Europe in a few centuries. Infected persons now infest Western Europe and America and are spreading the infection through our prisons and inner cities. 

how malignant

    It is impossible to count with accuracy, the many innocent victims of Islam, but the best estimate runs to 270 million. 

radical Islam

radical Englishmen

    Were the founders fighting 'radical' Englishmen in the Revolution against King George or were they fighting his army?

radical Nazis

    Was the greatest generation in combat against 'radical' Nazis ?  Were those 'radicals' a tiny minority of Nazis? Was there a peaceful majority of Nazis who did not want to participate in world conquest?

radical Communism

    Did millions die of starvation at the hands of Stalin, Mao & Pot because of an extraordinary, 'radical' variant of International Communism?  Was the Cold War fought against 'radcal' Communism or the real thing? 

radical Muslims

    Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to relive it. I quote from Wikipedia's entry on the First Barbary War:  "On October 11, 1784, Moroccan pirates seized the brigantine Betsey.^[2] " ...  "Algeria began piracy against the U.S. on July 25, 1785 with the capture of the schooner Maria and the Dauphin a week later.^[5]"

    Where the Barbary Pirates 'radicals', 'perverting', 'distorting' and 'twisting' normative Islamic doctrine into a perverted form, or were they acting in obedience to Allah; emulating their Prophet?  Thomas Jefferson and John Adams put the question to Tripoli's Ambassador in 1785. His reply is a clue for you.

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once. ^[12]

Koran

    Is that true? Is it really written in their Koran that they have a right and duty to plunder and enslave? 

right & duty

2:216. Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know.

8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.

9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.   

   
    Ordained means it is Allah's law. "fight ... until" makes the statements imperative.  The Koran commands Muslims to wage perpetual war against disbelievers. 

plunder

8:1. They ask you (O Muhammad ) about the spoils of war. Say: "The spoils are for Allâh and the Messenger." So fear Allâh and adjust all matters of difference among you, and obey Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad ), if you are believers.

8:41. And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad )], (and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad ) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allâh is Able to do all things.

8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allâh desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

33:26. And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allâh brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.

33:27. And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things.

48:19. And abundant spoils that they will capture. And Allâh is Ever All-Mighty, All-Wise.

    Isn't that special: the Koran has rules for distribution of spoils, in anticipation of offensive warfare.  Moe got the top 205, first pick of the spoils.  And as a Prophet, Moe was not allowed to ransom prisoners until he had made great slaughter. We learned that Moe's motivation was mercenary and Allah's is blood lust.

    Moe besieged a local Jewish settlement, overcame them with terrorism and seized their property, enslaving their widows & orphans.  Allah promised the Muslims "abundant spoils".

Paradise

9:38. O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter.

9:39. If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allâh is Able to do all things.

48:17. No blame or sin is there upon the blind, nor is there blame or sin upon the lame, nor is there blame or sin upon the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whosoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad ), He will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow (Paradise); and whosoever turns back, He will punish him with a painful torment.

61:10. O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment.

61:11.  That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!

61:12. (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn ­ Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.  

    If Muslims do  not join the jihad, they will go to Hell; if the fight, they will go to  There is a long and esoteric hadith about Umar's sending the army to fight the great nations, in which a Muslim General is quoted as explaining things to a Persian General in similar terms.   Sahih Bukhari 4.53.386

Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."

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"Its Islam, stupid!"

    What Allah commanded and Moe exemplified is  Islam, the real thing, not a distortion, twisting or perversion of Islam. There is no such thing as radical Islam.  Islam is what Moe preached & practiced, not the anodyne, passive & benevolent religion you wish it would be. 

not just militarily

    Islam can not be defeated militarily short of wholesale extermination.  If you are unable or unwilling to kill every Muslim on the face of the earth, then you must break their faith, you must induce mass apostasy. 

expose Allah

    Effectively combating Islam requires inducing mass apostasy by introducing the Ummah to the reality of Allah and his Messenger, their true character and works.  You must effectively discredit Moe, and thereby descredit Allah. You must expose the fallacy of Allah's promises. 

war of ideas

    If you would win this war, list the ideas of Islam and the ideas of Western Civilization and prove our ideas to be superior to theirs, in intrinsic merit as well as empirical results.

honest about the threat

    When you add adjectives or modifiers to the name of the enemy, you are not being honest.  The enemy is Islam, not 'radical Islam'. In the long run, the threat is existential; Islam is Hellbent on global conquest.  In the short run, the threat is continued and escalating attacks, large and small, against civilian targets.  Once Iran obtains a nuke and couples it with a delivery system, our cities will be in grave danger. 

politically correct

    President Bush called Islam a "great religion of peace" because he knew that, if the public knew the truth, there would be a massive popular demand for the eradication of the enemy.   President Obama repeats the same lie and declares that we are not at war against Islam because he is a traitor, one of them, not one of us.

sanitized

    President Obama has removed all reference to the false meme which has been substituted for the name of the enemy because he is politically correct, not factually correct. 

    In order to win, we need to identify and truthfully describe the enemy, its intentions and capacity. The traitor in the White House has no desire to defeat the enemy because he is one of them, at the head of the enemy's fifth column.    Removing all acknowledgment of the nexus between Islamic doctrine and terrorism is in compliance with the demands of Islam and the United Nations.

the enemy

    Islam, as revealed & exemplified by Moe.

virulence

    Islam demands that only Allah be worshiped, "alltogether and everywhere". Allah demands "great slaughter". The gates of Paradise will not swing open to Muslims until they exterminate the Jews. 

why they hate us

    Because we are not Muslims. Disbelief is a status offense, called Kufr: rebellion against Allah, the punishment for which is described in 5:33 and the definition of which is found in Tafsir Ibn Kathir.

what we must do

    Either cause Muslims to quit believing in Allah, his threat & promise, breaking his yoke of slavery or cause them to quit living.  That should be an easy choice.

I want you to:

    Take your own advice, be honest about the identity of the enemy, its character, ability & intentions and what we must do to win this war and restore peace 7 security. First and foremost: quit adding adjectives to the name of the enemy.

Condemn in the Strongest Possible Terms

Warning: Contains explicit execration!

    Today the demon spawn fired an anti-tank missile at a school bus in Israel. You can read the details at Yahoo News. Modern anti-tank missiles are not cheap, and they must be aimed. The attack was deliberate, the target was intentionally selected.  Because the bus was near the end of its run, there was only one passenger, who was critically wounded.  Had it been earlier, with a full passenger load, there would have been many deaths.

    Click this link and look at the close up of the bus.  The accursed demon spawn intended to murder 60 children and a driver.  Not soldiers, not a tank crew, children.  What do you say?  What would you say if your children were on that bus??  Two words must be said; nobody else will say them. I will; I will say them loud and clear, for the whole world to hear, and I don't care who may be offended.  I am offended by the universal failure to say what must be said:

    Almighty God, we thank you for your mercy and favor. Shield and defend us from the evil intentions of our enemies, make a full end of them and damn them with an everlasting damnation. Amen!  

  Now I want you to read what our Department of State said:

"We condemn the attack on innocent civilians in southern Israel in the strongest possible terms as well as ongoing rocket fire from Gaza,"

"We have reiterated many times there is no justification of the targeting of innocent civilians and those responsible for these terrorist acts should be held accountable,"

strongest possible terms

    Not by a country mile. Not by a light year.  That is no condemnation, that is a skip and slide, glossing over the worst possible evil intentions and actions.
How long, Lord?  How long must we endure the treachery of these traitors who ignore at our peril and the peril of innocent children and the whole world? How long must Israelis  remain as sitting ducks while Satan's slaves aim rockets at their heads? 

    When will insipid words be replaced by suitable execrations?  When will Israel rise up and remove her enemies from the face of the earth?  What part of existential conflict do they not comprehend? 

7:167. And (remember) when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them (i.e. the Jews), till the Day of Resurrection, those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment. Verily, your Lord is Quick in Retribution (for the disobedient, wicked) and certainly He is Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful (for the obedient and those who beg Allâh's Forgiveness).

[...](till the Day of Resurrection, those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment.) on account of their disobedience, defying Allah's orders and Law and using tricks to transgress the prohibitions. It was reported that Musa required the Jews to pay the production tax for seven or thirteen years, and he was the first to do so. Also, the Jews fell under the humiliating rule of the Greek Kushdanin, Chaldeans and later on the Christians, who subjugated and disgraced them, and required them to pay the Jizyah (tribute tax). When Islam came and Muhammad was sent, they became under his power and had to pay the Jizyah, as well. Therefore, the humiliating torment mentioned here includes disgrace and paying the Jizyah, as Al-`Awfi narrated from Ibn `Abbas. In the future, the Jews will support the Dajjal (False Messiah); and the Muslims, along with `Isa, son of Mary, will kill the Jews. This will occur just before the end of this world.[...] Eternal Humiliation placed on the Jews

Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

    Who might he send?  Who is tormenting Jews? I have a clue for you.

9:29.Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.  

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."

 

Why, Exactly?

    Because of Allah's promise and threat.  When Muslims exterminate the Jews and appear before the judgment seat, Allah will weigh their good deeds against their sins. If the good deeds are heavier, he will admit them to the gardens; otherwise, he will damn them. 

Good Deeds

    Exactly how does a Muslim accrue the Islamic equivalent of Brownie Points??

9:120. It was not becoming of the people of Al-Madinah and the bedouins of the neighbourhood to remain behind Allah's Messenger (Muhammad SAW when fighting in Allah's Cause) and (it was not becoming of them) to prefer their own lives to his life. That is because they suffer neither thirst nor fatigue, nor hunger in the Cause of Allah, nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an enemy but is written to their credit as a deed of righteousness. Surely, Allah wastes not the reward of the Muhsinun

Anything a Muslim does to enrage or injure a Jew or Christian is imputed to him as a good deed.  Got a clue yet? 

9:38. O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter.

9:39. If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allah is Able to do all things.

61:10. O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment.

61:11.  That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!

61:12. (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn ­ Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.

61:13. And also (He will give you) another (blessing) which you love, help from Allâh (against your enemies) and a near victory. And give glad tidings (O Muhammad ) to the believers.

    Now I will show you the dirty details nobody else will show you.  What would you do if you believed the following crap?

78:21. Truly, Hell is a place of ambush,

78:22. A dwelling place for the Tâghûn (those who transgress the boundry limits set by Allâh like polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, hyprocrites, sinners, criminals, etc.),

78:23. They will abide therein for ages,

78:24. Nothing cool shall they taste therein, nor any drink.

78:25. Except boiling water, and dirty wound discharges.

78:26. An exact recompense (according to their evil crimes).

78:27. For verily, they used not to look for a reckoning.

78:28. But they belied Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, and that which Our Prophet (Peace be upon him) brought) completely.

78:29. And all things We have recorded in a Book.

78:30. So taste you (the results of your evil actions); no increase shall We give you, except in torment.

78:31. Verily, for the Muttaqûn, there will be a success (Paradise);

78:32. Gardens and grapeyards;

78:33. And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age;

78:34. And a full cup (of wine).

78:35. No Laghw (dirty, false, evil talk) shall they hear therein, nor lying;

78:36. A reward from your Lord, an ample calculated gift (according to the best of their good deeds).

 

reminder

    What do believers do?

9:111. Verily, Allâh has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allâh's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'ân. And who is truer to his covenant than Allâh? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success .

 

Moderate Islam

    There ain't any! Islam is what Moe preached and practiced. Nothing else is Islam.

Radical Islam

    There ain't any!  Islam is what Moe preached and practiced. Nothing else is Islam.

Islam

    What Moe preached & practiced: Jihad, rape, pillage, plunder, genocide, terror and slavery. All else is hypocrisy or apostasy except those who await sufficient military capacity for an effective final strike.
 
   

Imam Rauf's Veilled Threat

In the fog of ideological & psychological warfare, with conflicting claims of  a face saving compromise which would relocate the Ground Zero Mosque  of triumph and save the Florida Qur'ans from a fiery fate,  we need to get back to basics and focus on the significant core issues.

    The Imam behind the Ground Zero Mosque of Triumph, Feisal Abdul Rauf,  issued a  thinly veiled threat in an interview with The Larry King Show. The Washington post included a video clip in their article., headlined: "Imam Rauf: National security hinges on Mosque debate".

    The Post placed this quote  above the video: "Our national security now hinges on how we negotiate this, how we speak about it."

This was a particularly difficult interview to transcribe because both the interviewer and interviewee spoke rapidly and  with soft voices.  The video buffers too slowly on my connection, my  eustachian tubes were not clearing, and my hearing aids are incompatible with my headset.  I had to use the telecoils, and my monitor is louder than my headset.  I did not get everything, but this should be close enough to convey the important meaning. 

..."But I also have a responsibility. If we move from that location the story will be that the radicals have taken over the discourse, the headline in the Islamic world will be that Islam is under attack. And I am less concerned by the radicals in America than I am concerned  by the radicals in the Muslim world. ... the danger from the radicals in the MW to our national security--to the nationals security of our troops- I have a niece who works in the Army in [inaudible] Iraq-- the concern for American citizens who live and work and travel overseas will increasingly be compromised if the radicals are strengthened.

If we do move it, it will strengthen the argument of the radicals to recruit  and their increasing aggression. The idea of [inaudible] is to create something like a Muslim Y. The YMCA was created one hundred and thirty years ago. to improve relationships between what was then called the American protestant religions by having young men and young women, of course they were separate at that time; YMCA/YWCA, common bond you know, by doing sports together and other programs together. [inaudible]
And that second street Y was an attempt by the Jewish community  to create a center where you'd create that kind of bonding.   We are now, today, where the Jewish community and the Catholic community was maybe seventy years ago, a century ago and this is our time; our turn to do that.

(What's on the table now?)
The biggest issue is the national security issue.
(How do you pull out without looking like you've lost?)

Without making it look both in this country and in the Muslim world.  You must remember that what we do is watched all over the world.  And we are very engaged with the Muslim world.  And our security is really number one, our national security, our personal security is extremely important. And this issue has become now a national security issue. And therefore in our conversations, in our decision making process, we have to weigh many many factors and that has been dominant among them.

(Is there a middle ground that has you pull out of the center and do something else? that's what it sounds like you are saying.)  We are discussing many things right now but, you know, we haven't found yet an option  that would work in a safe way.

(What are ... what you are considering?)

As I said,. we consider everything in life. but we have to be very cautious here because the voices of the radicals have ratcheted up and we must make sure that the moderates take over the conversation.

(Given what you know now, would you have built?)

As I mentioned it, this story is not new. People knew about it.  ...(Right, but given what you know now would you have said 'listen, lets not do it there because...'  because it sounds like  you are saying, in retrospect , you wouldn't have done it? )

Well,yes, if...if...(You would not have done it?)
If I knew this would happen, this would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn't have done it.  My life has been devoted to peace making,

(...There are so many people who say... if you are saying it was a mistake, then why can't you get out of it and not do it?)

because we have to now make sure that whatever we do actually results in greater peace, not in greater conflict.

(Why do you think this structure is causing all this controversy now? )

Well there is a certain amount of anti-Islamic sentiment in this country (what now?) and we have seen it in the attacks upon mosques in various parts of the country in the last several weeks. So it is clear that this issue is not just about our center which is an attempt to create peace between Muslims and  non-Muslims but this has aroused a certain anti-Islam sentiment which is unfortunate in this country--we need to look at it and have a discourse about it and make sure this does not dominate the discourse between us because Americans believe fundamentally  and in a very fundamental strong way about freedom of religion, about separation of governments and churches, in separation of church and state which means the power of the government should not be used to coerce people to believe in any religion but it should be used to defend and protect religious rights and freedoms.  So this is the conversation we need to have right now.

(Lets talk about money: one hundred million dollars is the price tag for this Islamic cultural center, where are you going to get the money?)

Well we have yet to raise a capital campaign...(You have no money for it yet?)

We haven't raised any money for it yet.  .

(Where will you get the money?)

We'll get the money from whatever sources we can, domestically especially, and be very transparent about how we raise the money. This has been something that we have committed ourselves to . (Meaning you will list whoever is giving you money?) Yes.  ( Will you turn down money from people who give money to say, HAMAS?) Absolutely. (No question about it; anyone who gives money to HAMAS can not give money to you ?) We will do whatever is absolutely correct and legal and safe thing   to do.

(Which means what exactly? Because that's an extra condition?)  You see, I'm the visionary behind it, I'm not the actual builder, I'm not the financial expert, I'm not  the legal expert on these things, but I have a vision here of  establishing something which I know, in my heart of hearts, will be a powerful instrument of peace.

(  Who would you not take money from, who would you say no to, who would you turn away?)

We would turn it from anybody who was deemed to be a danger to this process.  (People I think, here in New York and around the country would say ' that is sacred land, that is a special place for everyone in America-- is that a step toward peace?) As Clyde Haberman [sp?] and many many people have said, "look what exists in that neighborhood", look what exists around the corner.  ( Oh, I believe you, I've lived downtown, so I know the neighborhood very well. )

So lets be clear, calling this particular block sacred  ground is and what exists there... you know...(strip clubs and delis, I've been there a million times, but I think when people call it sacred ground, they're saying something terrible  happened on this spot and and we've...)

We've got to be fair you can't say a place that has strip joints is sacred ground. We've got to be just, we've got to speak the truth we've got to have justice for everybody,  we're a country of justice for all, not just for non-Muslims only or some groups and not for others This is what America is all about, Solidad. We've got to really mean what we say and say what our values  are truly about.

This isn't... the discourse has been hijacked by people who say "no".

(you've heard about this Pastor in Florida, Terry Jones,who is proposing burning Qur'ans on 9/11,  what do you think of that?)

I would plead with him to seriously consider what he is doing. (Why?)  Its going to feed to the radicals in the Muslim world.  Its dangerous, General Petraeus has said that. It is something that is not the right thing to do on that ground. ...
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(Do you  think he has a right to do it?)

And more importantly, well, we have freedom in this country, freedom of speech, but with freedom comes responsibility.  It is a famous saying to shout fire in a crowded theatre, this is dangerous for our national security, and also the un-Christian thing to do.  Jesus Christ didn't teach us to do that, we Muslims have a ... we look to the example of our Prophet- to our Prophet's sunnah. Many Christians say, 'What would Jesus do"
Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek, Jesus taught us to love your enemy, we are not your enemies.  This is what Jesus taught us to do, and I would like to suggest that  you know--we all have to live  by the highest principles of our faith traditions  

• "If we move from that location the story will be that the radicals have taken over the discourse" 

I presume he means  us, the Americans who resist the erection of a victory Mosque on the scene of the  accursed abomination.

• "the headline in the Islamic world will be that Islam is under attack."

The finger of blame switches from those who are poking a gigantic middle finger in our eye to those of us who are vociferously resisting  the attack.

• "I am concerned  by the radicals in the Muslim world. "... 
• "the danger from the radicals in the MW to our national security"

    "Radical" Muslims are likely to throw stones and bombs at our troops, assault tourists and businessmen overseas, and terrorize us at home because we vocally resist the erection of  their symbol of triumph in the place where they murdered 2700 people nine years ago.   We are accused of provoking our tormentors by resisting them.   Does anyone else perceive the moral inversion performed in this case?

    Muslims are taught that any step taken to injure or anger us is imputed to their credit as a deed of righteousness, to be weighed against their sins on Judgment Day.  You'd learn that fun fact in 9:120, if you'd read that damn Qur'an instead of ignoring or burning it. They don't need any incentive from us to attack us. 

• "If we do move it, it will strengthen the argument of the radicals to recruit  and their increasing aggression."

    If they relocate the project, moderate Muslims will be radicalized and recruited by terrorists.  The difference between a moderate and a radical is that the latter is fully aware of Allah's imperatives and seeks to implement them.  Moderates are either ignorant or indolent,  those whom Muhammad called hypocrites whose Islam goes no deeper than their throats.  They profess but do not practice.   We have been told that  relocating the project from Ground Zero will cause more Muslims to seek to implement Allah's imperatives.  In that case, is there any real difference in the beliefs of radicals and moderates?

• "The YMCA was created one hundred and thirty years ago. to improve relationships between what was then called the American protestant religions"...
• "We are now, today, where the Jewish community and the Catholic community was maybe seventy years ago, a century ago and this is our time; our turn to do that."

    A Young Muslim's Christian Association?  Oh, right, a Young Muslim's Association.   The Y serves 45 million people in 120 countries. Guess which countries ain't served.  No Y in Arabia or North Africa, why is that?  But we need another Muslim (terrorist) recruiting station in New York. Yeah, right.

• "The biggest issue is the national security issue."

    How big is it?  How many more attacks, how much increase in the scale of those attacks? If that face saving compromise Pastor Terry Jones thought he had worked out was genuine, would that result in a national security problem?

• "You must remember that what we do is watched all over the world."
• this issue has become now a national security issue.

    The question was one of  relocating the project without the appearance of defeat. How about the reality?  It would be a strategic setback because any alternative location would not have the psychological effect of the Ground Zero location, it would contribute much less to the Muslim's sense of triumph.  The answer speaks volumes.  Rauf is concerned about defeat in the eyes of the Ummah.  But anything that deflates their egos should bring about some reduction in recruitment and enthusiasm for terrorism. That would make a positive contribution to peace and security.  Strategy is inverted along with morality.

• "we haven't found yet an option  that would work in a safe way"

    No options that would not increase the security risk?  We get more attacks unless the symbol of Islamic supremacy is erected on the site of the abomination?

• "we have to be very cautious here because the voices of the radicals have ratcheted up and we must make sure that the moderates take over the conversation"

    The emphasis is on "radicals" and "moderates". The moderate voice is quiescent because "moderates" are not zealots; they are not empowered and motivated to speak out and act; they are passive.  The "radicals" have the mission, motivation and machine guns; they are activated.

    Did anything escape your attention in that quote? Look again.  Who is Rauf concerned with?  Only Muslims; our perceptions, attitudes, feelings and interests don't count, they are not under consideration. He ain't interested in anyone but Muslims.

• "If I knew this would happen, this would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn't have done it.  My life has been devoted to peace making,"

    Rauf was not expecting a vigorous, vociferous reaction.  He was not expecting intensive and extensive news coverage.  Did he make a war?  No, he made a controversy, and that ain't exactly the polar opposite of "peace making".  Of course, Muslims make peace by subjugating disbelievers. Peace follows victory.

• "we have to now make sure that whatever we do actually results in greater peace, not in greater conflict."

    He can not admit defeat and back down because that would result in "greater conflict".  If we surrender, that results in peace; if he surrenders, that results in conflict.  Got a clue yet?

• "there is a certain amount of anti-Islamic sentiment in this country"
• " it is clear that this issue is not just about our center"
• "make sure this does not dominate the discourse between us because Americans believe fundamentally  and in a very fundamental strong way about freedom of religion, about separation of governments and churches, in separation of church and state which means the power of the government should not be used to coerce people to believe in any religion but it should be used to defend and protect religious rights and freedoms."

    Nineteen Muslims hijacked four airliners and flew three of them into office buildings.  Their act was motivated by the preaching and example of Muhammad bin Abdullah, the founder of Islam.  Their act was celebrated by Muslims all over the world.  What sort of fool expects us to have a neutral or pro-Islamic sentiment after that?   A cockpit voice recorder was recovered, exposing  exclamations of "Allahu akhbar" as the flight crew was murdered.   People wondered why, and research was done; books and movies were created which expose the doctrines and practices of Islam.  Some of us looked up the Barbary Wars, and what we discovered in  the historical recored confirmed what we learned  from your texts and outraged us.

    How is it possible to have a discourse not dominated by the fact that your demon demands that you conquer and subjugate us?   Freedom of religion means that we can choose any religion or none at all. Islam demands that it have a monopoly, that only Allah be worshiped.  The two are not compatible, they are polar opposites.

    Separation of Church and state means that the two institutions are independent, they do not interfere in each other's affairs. Islam demands that all law be Allah's law, Shari'ah, not man made legislation.  That is the polar opposite of separation of church and state.   Freedom of religion and separation of church and state do not serve as your license to wage war on us or dominate us by out breeding us, subversion & sedition.

• ( Will you turn down money from people who give money to say, HAMAS?) "Absolutely". (No question about it; anyone who gives money to HAMAS can not give money to you ?) "We will do whatever is absolutely correct and legal and safe thing   to do."
• "We would turn it from anybody who was deemed to be a danger to this process."

    Wear your black dot garden gloves to keep a grip on this snake. Why is HAMAS an issue?  Rauf will not acknowledge the fact that it is a terrorist organization.  Neither would he acknowledge the fact, if asked, that there is no difference between HAMAS  and Islam.

    Giving money to HAMAS is illegal. Taking money from HAMAS donors is not illegal.  Their willingness to donate to you  as well as  to HAMAS tells us  who & what you are. The fact that you want to disassociate yourself from them provides the same information.  But we already knew that you are Muslims.  What constitutes a "danger to this process" ?  The implication is that you would reject money from anyone whose reputation or associations would impair your false image of peaceful  moderation.

• "We've got to be fair you can't say a place that has strip joints is sacred ground."
  

    What makes any ground sacred?  What desecrates it?  If the flesh, bone & blood of your family and associates is finely divided and splattered over several city blocks by an aircraft  impact   and the subsequent collapse of  the impacted building,  are that place, those scattered remains and their memories any less sacred  to you than they would be in a consecrated cemetery  in your church yard?  In fact, there was a church on that site.  Is the site desecrated by the presence of strip joints and other business establishments which pre-existed the accursed abomination?

    If your loved one and  colleagues were murdered by assassins motivated by the damnable doctrines of an accursed war cult, what is the effect on your psyche of the erection, on the site where the ash and smoke of your loved one settled, of a shrine where the war cult's devotees will remind their  demon seventeen times every day of how your loved one and you have "earned" his wrath & "gone astray"; a place where they will curse us and supplicate their demon for "victory over the disbelieving folk"?  Does that or does that not impair the sanctity of the site more than a strip club around the corner?  

• "I would plead with him to seriously consider what he is doing. (Why?)  Its going to feed to the radicals in the Muslim world.  Its dangerous, General Petraeus has said that. It is something that is not the right thing to do on that ground. ..."

    Burning a Qir'an as a symbol of objection to the damnable doctrines enshrined therein and the accursed actions inspired thereby and to the erection of a  shrine to them  in a place where those  damnable doctrines and accursed actions resulted in more than 2000 deaths  "feeds radicals"  but burning the American flag, the symbol of liberty and justice for all, chanting "death to America" ,  and bearing signs reading "Islam will dominate the world" and "freedom go to Hell" along with "behead those who Insult Islam"  are innocent acts of no import or impact whatsoever, though they are carried out by thousands where as Terry Jones has fifty in his congregation.  Proportionality, anyone?  Can you perceive moral inversion??

• 'What would Jesus do" 

    He lectures us  by Jesus?  Unholy sacrilege!!! The Islamic version of Jesus is Allah's slave, not God's son, was not crucified, neither was he killed nor resurrected.  And he will return to lead the Muslims in  battle against us, the final and ultimate genocide.  He will rule the world by the Qur'an.   The arrogance of Muslims knows no bounds.  If you have any doubt about the veracity of this paragraph, read this blog post: The Defamation of Jesus Christ. Feisal Abdul Rauf,Park 51.Terry Jones,Quran burning,moderate,radical,Muslims